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Title: Hello Garci... Post by kim on Jun 20th, 2005, 9:47pm Let me hear your comment on this first before i give mine... ;D and for those who dont know this topic, infos are soon to follow ;) |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by gracia on Jun 24th, 2005, 4:45pm hello Garci...could just be another source of fun and definitely a source of income to few...one thing for sure....am not gonna use that |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jun 26th, 2005, 4:37pm The Arroyo Administration is still playing numb on the issue... how can they fight it on court when they refuse to even consider the existence of the "evidence"? so the solution of the majority of filipino is just the same to what they did during EDSA 2...take to the street, because the Senator judge decided that the 2nd envelope is irrelevant? and hey thanks to them catholic priest for making it all happened....goodbye cardinal ;D Isn't it an Arch Bishop that presented the witness against Gloria regarding Jueteng Payola to her Family? what goes around comes around. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by kim on Jun 30th, 2005, 10:36am a breif summary of the topic... President Gloria Arroyo was put into a scandal because of the so called "wire tapped coversation" between Comelec Commissioner Virgilio Garcillano and Pres. Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, her husband Jose Miguel, and other individuals. As i understand differnet personalities have been claiming that they have the original "mother of all tapes" and everyone was telling the truth there would be 6 "so called MOTHER OF ALL TAPES". I was able to obtains a transcript copy which is more than 15 pages long and there is also a downloadable version in mp3 format which is 3 hours long. If you are interested in downloading a copy you might want to visit one of several sites that have this mp3. One site is http://www.pcij.org/blog/?p=108 ... The conversation between them says that GMA was conspiring with Garcillano to alter the result of the presidential elections in her favor. When the issue first came out pres secretary Ignacio Bunye said that he has the original version and the one that was relased was altered. But after the GMA denied the tapes unofficially Bunya took back what he said n told the media that he is not sure if the woman in the tape was GMA. After weeks of silence GMA finaly addressed the public last june 27 made a public appology. She admited to talking to garcillano but denied that she wanted to alter the election results since the election outcome has already been predicted by almost all the surveys. My opinion: There are so many different factions and groups that are shouting "gloria resign" and each group wants someone different to replace GMA. Everyone want to be incharge and no one wants to listen. One of the roblems they say is abot Jueteng. If GMA gets kicked out what our asurance that the next president wont be as corrupt or even more corrupt than the current president sitting now? Everyone has their own hiden agenda and they are using the public as a medium to get rid of arroyo. Get the people mad so that democracy will take place n another damn people power to get rid of the president. If GMA resigns what next? whos going to be incharge? What will that do to our economy? Did Arroyo cheated during the elections? Probably she did. Now the same questions for the other candidates. Can you honestly say that all the other candidates did not cheat or buy votes? Its sad to admit that elections here in our country is very dirty... AM i glad that gloria won the elections? THe answer is yes. I dont think that there are any other candidate more qualified to be the president that her. to be continued ;) |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jun 30th, 2005, 11:38am I will wait for more then kimmy before posting more regarding this issue. Just one thing....I'm not happy nor sad when Arroyo won the election and became our president. Public office means public trust and I don't think the majority of Filipino trust Gloria because of this scandal. Apology is basically admission of guilt. Can we still trust her? Taken that the election here is dirty but to cheat with a large margin? hmmmm..... Anyway like kimmy said to be continued ;D |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by gracia on Jun 30th, 2005, 12:20pm Quote:
Is there anyone deserve our trust? I doubt that there is. It was just very unfortunate for Gloria she was tapped.....lucky to those who were sly on their actions and plans, they're free to move and free to criticise her severely. I heard one critic this morning and he said "Gloria is an idiot but she is the best idiot!" |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by Analyn on Jun 30th, 2005, 1:16pm Hello Graci ;D is Gracie the cause of GMA's victory? I believe that GMA honestly won the election...her "Hello Garci" won't change her destiny as the President...Of all the candidates she's the only one with good platform and qualified...Filipino votes can't be bought today and are wiser...thus, they voted GMA. We should not focus on the wiretapping issue and her one BIG MISTAKE...but to what she is doing to save our country and is still trying to do. I can't just accept her sorry ;D but she's still the best person to be in the position to lead our country. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by teagirl on Jun 30th, 2005, 2:57pm I am not happy with the turn of events here in our country but I will not call for Gloria to resign because no matter who we put up there as a president, as long as graft and corruption are deeply ingrained in out government, nothing will ever change. Put the cleverest economist or put a chimpanzee, WE the people must be willing to change. Lets take a deep look inside ourselves---I for one am guilty of paying government employees so I don't have to wait---this is just a minor infraction of the law and everyone's doing it. In essence we are condoning corrupt government officials. Whatever change we call upon our government, we must do it first within ourselves. Sure, each one of us is entitled to our opinion. And each one of us has clever ideas who to put in place as president once Arroyo is gone---c'mon guys...are we going to start that shit all over again? We don't have the resources. Our coffers are empty. The government is bankrupt and our debt is so astounding that our grandchildren's grandchildren will be born owing money to the world. Do you think changing the presidency will solve our problems? Who are you going to put in lieu of Gloria? Susan Roces? *scoffing sound* What the heck is she going to do when she becomes the President? Cry herself to a FAMAS award in the Senate? I heard Jinggoy Estrada is also interested. What, that chimp? I doubt if he has an ounce of intelligence in that liquor-soaked brain of his. Maybe we should just put a gorilla, that way, if things fall apart all over again, like they always do, we can always say its because he's an ape. We are always looking for a scapegoat...to blame our problems on. We don't look inside ourselves and do, out of conviction for love of country, the right thing. Unless we change as a whole nation, we will always wallow in poverty and despair. Maybe Gloria should just impose martial law like what Singapore did. Kill the bastards, let the blood shed begin, separate the church from the state. Damn right I'm angry. This is my country too and I live here. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by Norkay on Jun 30th, 2005, 3:02pm on 06/30/05 at 13:16:36, Analyn wrote:
I go with this thought. Gloria Arroyo may not be the best leader of all the former presidents of the Philippines but I am sure she has done a lot better than the last one. Can't we see the diffrence? Imagine the Philippines if we're still under Joseph Estrada's reign. I also believe President Arroyo won the election fairly. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jun 30th, 2005, 4:41pm on 06/30/05 at 12:20:59, gracia wrote:
Yes. Anyone who will not cheat to gained the presidency. Legally elected by the people. The one who will follow the constitution. Quote:
I wonder how much was paid for that critic to say that? And I don't think we need a best idiot president as well. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jun 30th, 2005, 4:49pm on 06/30/05 at 13:16:36, Analyn wrote:
The presidency has a major influence on the direction that a country is taking. It's the most powerful position in the land. So how can she save the country? A president without any moral ascendancy translates to an unstable government which translates to a bad economy. Quote:
Gloria must think that we are dumb. That her apology isn't obviously insincere for we are dumb. To admit that you're the voice on the tape who committed fraud yet say in front of national television that you committed no fraud. But infairness, in her apology video the makeup artist made a great job. The makeup artist made her look like she was about to cry ;D |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jun 30th, 2005, 5:14pm on 06/30/05 at 15:02:02, Norkay wrote:
Check these conversations and let's see if you can still say that President Arroyo won the election fairly. Transcript: GMA: Hello, hello Gary: Hello ma'am good morning po. GMA: Oo, oo. Si ano, si Biazon nagbabanta, kung madadaya daw siya papabuksan daw niya yung sa... at sa tawi tawi, eh baka raw ako ang matalo doon... Gary: baka nga ho... (line faded, cut) ========= GMA: Hello... GAry: Hello, ma'am, good morning. Ok ma'am, mas mataas ho siya pero magcompensate po sa lanao yan. GMA:So I will still lead by more than one M. overall? Gary: More or less, it's the advantage ma'am. Parang ganun din ang lalabas. GMA: It cannot be less than One M. Gary: Pipilitin ma'am natin yan. Pero as of the other day, 982. GMA: Kaya nga eh... Gary: And then if we can get more in lanao.. GMA: Hindi pa ba tapos? Gary: Hindi pa ho, meron pa hong darating na seven municipalities. GMA: Ah ok, ok. ============= Gary: Hello, ma'am. Good evening. GMA: Hello, dun sa Lanao del Sur at Basilan, di raw nagmamatch ang SOV sa COC Gary: ANg sinasabi nya... nawawala na naman ho? GMA: Hindi na nag-match Gary: Hindi na nag-mamatch? May posibilidad na hindi magmatch kung hindi nila sinunod yung individual SOV ng mga munisipyo. Pero aywan ko lang ho kung sa atin pabor o hindi. Dun naman sa basilan at lanao sur, ito ho yung ginawa nilang magpataas sa inyo, maayos naman ang paggawa eh. GMA:So nag-mamatch? Gary: Oho, sa basilan, alam nyo naman ang mga military dun eh, hindi masyadong marunong kasi silang gumawa eh. Katulad ho dun sa sulu, sa general habatan. Pero hindi naman ho, kinausap ko na yung chairman ng board sa sulu, ang akin, patataguin ko muna ang EO ng pagundaran para hindi sila maka-testigo ho. Na-explain na ho yung sa camarines norte. Tomorrow we will present official communication dun po sa senate. Dun ho sa sinasabing wala hong laman yung ballot box. Na-receive ho nila lahat eh. GMA: Oo, oo. Gary: Tumawag ho kayo kanina ma'am? GMA: Yeah, abot the lanao del sur at basilan. Gary: iaano ko na lang ho, nagusap na kami ni abdullah dun sa kwan kanina. About this, iaano ko ho, wag ho kayo masyadong mabahala. Anyway, we will take care of this. kakausapin ko rin si atty. Macalintal. GMA: Oo. Tapos nun, si uhm... sa calanguyan, meron daw silang teacher na nasa witness protection program ng kabila. gary: Sino ho? GMA: Yung kabila. May teacher daw silang hawak. Gary: Wala naman ho, baka nanakot lang ho sila kasi. GMA: Calanguyan, tawi-tawi? Gary: Calanguyan, tawi-tawi? Wala naman ho tayong kwan dun, wala naman ho tayong ginawa dun, sa calanguyan. Talo nga tayo dun, talo nga si nur dun. GMA: Oo, oo. Gary: Sige, aanuhin ko lahat ng yan. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jun 30th, 2005, 5:28pm on 06/30/05 at 14:57:47, teagirl wrote:
I go for Susan as long as PING will be the VP then in 2 months Susan will die and PING will gained the presidency....bwahahahahaha....joke ;D Constitutionally, Susan can't take over the presidency. Hey atleast Susan is a real actress not like Gloria in her apology video.....she is a wannabe actress. But I must say again, the makeup artist done a great job....lol lol ;D Quote:
If ever gloria will impose martial law which I doubt.....then she will have to command that her husband should be kill first....he is included in the BASTARDS LIST....lol ;D |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by kim on Jun 30th, 2005, 8:44pm Sad but true that the whole issue falls down to picking the lesser evil. I admire Mymy for being on the side of truth and justice. I agree that a liar and a cheater has no place to be the ruler of any country but sad to say that everyone of them are liars and cheaters. ALl of Arroyo's acusers shout out how bad she is when all of they has lied and cheated not even once but several times in their life. "Let he who has no sin cast the first stone" Every candidate cheated to gain a fraction of the vote. ITs just fortunate for Arroyo that she was the one in position and that she has access everything. Lets say for example that Ping Lacson was the one sitting as teh president and was qualified for a re election... Can anyone honestly tell me that he wont use his position to guarantee a victory? I just came back from a visit to singapore last week and i was so astonished on how thats small country was able to pick up from once being a country of caos... Martial Law? Heck why not? kill all the bastards make everyone obey what is right. But what is our assurance that the Person incharge of the martial law wont abuse his/her power? A military friend of mine said that if a military hunta (did i spell that right?) will happen, the military will impose martial law for 6 months just to restore order then after that period a presidential election will be held and they will step down to let the newly elected president restore peace in our country. Sounds good huh? If I can be assured that this is what is going to happen and not military power abuse i am for martial law ;).... But Unless we have no otehr solid alternative to whom will replace GMA i think our country cannot afford to lose a leader. And to be continued again ;D ;) |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by gracia on Jul 1st, 2005, 6:28am In my case though...i care less who's to rule the Philippines now....if cheaters and liars are not allowed to rule any country..then all seats will be empty then. Anyway, whatever God wants to happen, it will happen...if snap elections will happen then it will happen, if distabilization will happen then it well. I'm leaving it to the hands of God. And even if they pay me to march and join the rally...i better chat! |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jul 1st, 2005, 6:33am Quote:
I cannot give the exact answer on this matter but one thing I'm sure if Ping will do the same as what Arroyo did, my reaction and points of view will still be the same. Quote:
It doesn't matter which politician will benefit from all these mess. The ISSUE that should be addressed is what will be the beneficial for the majority of the Filipino. Best thing to do is to put all of these things through proper channels, to ensure that peace and order and the rule of law will prevail. Time to follow whats in our constitution. They have been trashing the constitution before, I hope not this time. Let the constitution decide for that. Quote:
Big question now is can SHE lead the nation with the public doubting her integrity. Unless the SCANDAL is cleared, the event will never be erased in the minds of the public. She lost the moral authority to lead. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by kim on Jul 1st, 2005, 9:44am I wonder what Noli is saying right now? He is probably sitting in his chair praying for gloria to be removed ;D... Gloria cheated and so did all the rest. Its just bad for gloria that she got caught ;D... I wonder if there is any living person qualified to rule without any corruptions. It is not enough to put one good tomato is a basket full of rotten ones. I still say empty the basket with all the rotten ones before you put in the good ones ;)... Lets kill all of them bastards [smiley=spank.gif] |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by Wicked_Witch on Jul 14th, 2005, 5:27am on 06/30/05 at 13:16:36, Analyn wrote:
I agree, analyn. I mean the whole nation is confused now. Some parts is even inan uproar like Manila. They want GMA to step down. Replacing her can be done also. Qualified replacements may not be a problem too. The question is...do they have the guts to rule a country that is getting poorer by the day? Some people are born to lead and some are born to follow. Noli de Castro is the sensible choice, since he is the Vice President. But I dont think he has it in him to rule a country. He maybe honest and God knows we need honest men but I bet he will be eaten alive by those power hungry polticians he needs to deal with day in and day out. My bet is still on GMA.... but minus her husband and son and other relatives. Maybe the Filipinos are wiser these days. But we are still poor that those "wise" voters will be willing to sell their votes in exchange of anything that can augment their family income, or put food in their tables. We are living in hard times. Blame it on the Marcoses. They started this trend. Now the succeeding Politicians are making an example of him. Gone are the days when leaders truly care about the welfare of their people. FPJ might have been a good choice...but he's dead....and so is Ninoy. All the good men are gone now. One leader is as bad as the others one way or another, so why bother to replace GMA? And who knows? Maybe now that she knows she's being watched, she will do better? |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by kim on Jul 14th, 2005, 6:49am Yesterday there was a big rally in makati demanding for GMA to resign. Stock market went down and business was disrupted. Millions were spent to make all the banners and to pay for some ppl so rally there... I have been i several rallies myself including edsa 1. I was a young kid then but my parents took me there after the macoses left the palace. They wanted us to remember that day when the ppl of our country stood against a tyrant and was victorious. I was in makati too during the rally against ramos' charter change. Nothing changed!!!! You take one president out of office and the next one is either the same or worst!!! IF you ask me they are all hypocrits and assholes. If they just used all the millions they spent for the rallies to feed the hungry and to give medicines for the sick then our damned country could have been much better!!! Is GMA included in the asshole list? Yes she is. I do beleive that she is a liar and a cheater but so is all the other wannabies. They are all shouting for GMA to resign. And when she does whats next? Its every man for themsleves? All of them kill each other n the last man/woman standing shall be the one proclaimed the president? I dont like GMA to be the president too but now is not the right time for her to leave. If anyone can show me someone that is honest and qualified to replace her then i'll support them but as of now, there is no one that can do any better. Aw and by the way, GMA will not resign no matter who goes on a hunger strike or how big a rally is. As long as the CBCP and the military are still neutral any attempt to take her out of office will fail. ;) |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by Wicked_Witch on Jul 15th, 2005, 3:28am on 07/14/05 at 06:49:31, kim wrote:
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jul 15th, 2005, 12:13pm on 07/14/05 at 05:27:23, Wicked_Witch wrote:
Lets not look on the small picture here. There is a bigger picture beyond that. The legality of Gloria's situation and that is our plunging economy because of unstable government due to these scandals. And these are all enough for GMA to resign. Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking her to resign due to her performance as president, because like i said before she lost her integrity, credibility and moral authority to lead the nation together her effectiveness as a leader of our nation, as a president. And IF the OTHERS CHEAT THE NATION again to win, by all means, we Filipino will make them resign again and again until those politicians learn to respect OUR right to choose a leaders, learn to respect the democratic process. IF we tolerate these things, we will never be anything but another banana republic. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by gracia on Jul 16th, 2005, 11:25am Quote:
There's definitely bigger pictures behind all these....like what will happen when Gloria step down? Having no suitable candidate to replace her. Our economy is been unstable for quite a long time..why worry now? Do you think if Gloria resigns the successor can make a miracle and make our economy stable? Quote:
Gloria still an effective leader whether one accept it or not, cheating and corrupting are two different things...Gloria is not corrupting money like erap does....so she deserves due process of law even erap was given due process. Quote:
We won't rank the second corrupt country of the whole world out of nothing. We did not tolerate it..we practiced it....too bad of Gloria was caught thru phone tappings and u think who's behind it is a saint? No need to hide if that is all there is on that tape...hiding means saving faces of those who were involved too. So how can we be so judgmental by condemning one person by hearing just one side? |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by Wicked_Witch on Jul 17th, 2005, 2:17pm on 07/15/05 at 12:13:04, mylane wrote:
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. Like Cebu said, GMA did not squander money, which can be considered the greatest sin that can be done to a suffering country like ours. Besides, the failure of the last staged rally can attest to the fact that there are still a lot or people who believes in her innocence. Her only fault is she got caught making that phone call. No big deal. How do we know the other parties did not do the same thing, just smart enough not to get caught? Also about Cory Aquino, I used to think of her as someone who has a fair judgement. I really like her..a lot. But when she readily judged GMA, my admiration for her has considerably lessen. I always thought that Cory Aquino should be the Leading Power..not the decision-maker. You know..like she should only step in when the people really need someone to lead them....not make their decisions for them. It's not the right time for her to make an appeal to the people. Look at what happened....it looks like her appeal was vastly ignored by the majority of the people. Otherwise those ralliest would have succeeded in their attempt to oust GMA as the President. She did that with Marcos...and again with Erap. That was mainly because the people has been convinced both these men are guilty as accused. She came out to lead the people, and they followed her.Besides, Im sure that most of the people that were there at the rallies are Leftist, not the "heart" of the Filipino people. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jul 17th, 2005, 3:58pm on 07/17/05 at 14:17:08, Wicked_Witch wrote:
What's there to prove? Gloria admitted it herself. Didn't the woman on the tape committed electoral fraud? Didn't she say that she's the woman on the tape? That's 1 plus 1. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jul 17th, 2005, 4:21pm on 07/16/05 at 11:25:14, gracia wrote:
there are 80 million Filipinos, dont kid yourself that there is none available nor suitable that can replace XPGMA. We (filipino citizens) being lead to believe that our choices are only limited to Susan and Rez, there are 80 million Filipinos out there, dont kid ourselves. Quote:
Come on, if you need evidence , FITCH, the firm that downgraded our rating, They cited the current political chaos as their reason for downgrading our credit rating. And it's quite obvious that the current political chaos is the cause of our plunging economy since this only started with this gloriagate scandal. We were rated STABLE by FITCH before these scandals. These firms don't take their ratings lightly. They don't throw wild guesses as to the stability of a country. They know their business more than anyone else. Every time we have unstable government it means investors withdrawing their investments from our country. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by Orange Pekoe on Jul 17th, 2005, 4:37pm on 07/17/05 at 16:21:50, mylane wrote:
Yeah, why don't we put Lito Osmena in Malacanang. I'd like to have a Cebuano lead this country for a change. Wait a minute...I think Cebu Province is seceding...thats good enough for me. Quote:
Yes, let's not kid ourselves...let me see, who do we have here that is not as corrupt as GMA... Quote:
So if we have been rated STABLE by FITCH before this scandal that means GMA was doing a good job running the country right? I mean this was before the scandal. So, why are were impeaching her again, as she seemed to be doing a good job and the country was rated STABLE by FITCH who don't take their ratings lightly? I don't get it. If we have it so good and so STABLE why are we rocking the boat? Quote:
Then by all means, let us stabilize our government. Let's stop this division and work together for the common good. Its simple, let the first politician who hasnt cheated the past election step up to the podium and declare his intent in running this country absent of any self-interest. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jul 17th, 2005, 4:40pm on 07/16/05 at 11:25:14, gracia wrote:
So meaning we can allow cheating but not corrupting? We shouldn't tolerate anyone who tramples our democracy whether its cheating or corrupting .Not even GMA. But if we tolerate her, It would be so hypocritical then not to tolerate the others if we had no problem tolerating GMA trampling our democracy. You cannot sell your soul to the devil and still claim to be on the side of what is good. Quote:
Lets go back during Erap times, since it was mentioned here. There should not been and EDSA 2. EDSA 2 was an insult to the original People's Power. The original EDSA was a true revolution to oust a dictator and install a new government and constitution. While EDSA 2 was merely a coup for GMA and her associates. We wanted to see Estrada convicted, but no, they had to do a stupid people power. Do you firmly believe that erap was given a due process? Funny. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jul 17th, 2005, 4:50pm on 07/17/05 at 16:37:26, Orange Pekoe wrote:
FITCH, downgraded our rating,the cited the current political chaos as their reason for downgrading our credit rating. And it's quite obvious that the current political chaos is the cause of our plunging economy since this only started with this gloriagate scandal. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jul 17th, 2005, 4:54pm on 07/16/05 at 11:25:14, gracia wrote:
Gloria not being alone in cheating doesn't make it right. Two wrongs don't make a right. She cheated and she was caught. Nobody's fault but hers. As the Catholic Bishop commision SHIT stated, Forgiveness comes with ACCOUNTABILITY. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by Orange Pekoe on Jul 17th, 2005, 5:02pm on 07/17/05 at 16:50:00, mylane wrote:
Yes, I understand that comment completely. But for FITCH to downgrade and I read in the previous entry that the government was rated STABLE, and the cause of the downgrading is the current political chaos...then I could only surmise that BEFORE the "gloriagate," we had a very nice rating under GMA's presidency. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by Forgettable on Jul 17th, 2005, 5:04pm on 07/17/05 at 16:40:07, mylane wrote:
Why,who is tolerating GMA here? But impeaching a current president is not the only way to stabilize a goverment. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jul 17th, 2005, 5:24pm on 07/17/05 at 17:04:24, Forgettable wrote:
huh? hmmm....You lost me there. I used "WE" meaning talking in general not just specific person here. And I did not mentioned anything about impeaching or impeachment. Anyway, since you mentioned impeaching is not the only way to stabilize the government, What are the other ways then? I don't favor as this moment about impeachment simply because I don't think wire-tapping is a legal evidence and admissable to court. Just my opinion yet I'm not sure. :-/ But since it was mentioned I made my comment about the impeachment. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jul 17th, 2005, 5:28pm on 07/17/05 at 17:02:18, Orange Pekoe wrote:
and under GMA's presidency, now we have a very bad ratings too. QUITS. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by gracia on Jul 17th, 2005, 6:16pm Quote:
Well my opinion maybe kinda trampled too, but i'm entitled to it. My only concern is the welfare of the majority. I'm not use to casting stone to anyone and i won't start it with Gloria either considering that none of her opponents were a saint. Let me just say, i'm choosing the lesser evil that has a package of having a good brain. Quote:
If you consider sinners are devil then that makes me one. I'm not selling my soul, i'm in it. That's human entitlement while he/she still on earth. That's inevitable. No one is perfect. While there's not much left to choose from, all devils lining up, i'm using my best instincts and choose someone who is a devil but has the capability and the ability to rule the country. Quote:
In Estrada's case, as far as i can remember, there was an impeachment proceedings. Filed and debated. The public were following it. The public were not satisfied on how the proceedings went and because of that, the public use their power to shorten the issue because it was a waste of money and time. I didn't vote for Estrada because for me he's not credible to run the country. And in my opinion, he deserves due process of law too but the majority use their voice for that. If that happens with Gloria this time...then so be it then. Majority always win. The meaning of EDSA 1 and EDSA 2 for the majority is that it's their VOICE. No deeper meaning than that. That's why EDSA 3 is still likely to happen in the future. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by Forgettable on Jul 17th, 2005, 6:43pm on 07/17/05 at 17:24:22, mylane wrote:
Yes,I was aware you used "we" but I was refering about the phrase there "we shouldn't tolerate" and that I asked who is tolerating what the President did, because I know we all don't. I continued that impeaching one's leader is not always the way to stabilize a goverment since it is what the opositions want to happen,although ,you may not have mentioned it ,but you sound like you go with them. I am not against with anybody's opinion though. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jul 17th, 2005, 6:56pm on 07/17/05 at 18:43:04, Forgettable wrote:
please read all the recent posts and you can tell who's tolerating the situation. Quote:
Nope. Your'e just assuming! Again read all my posts. Thats not my stand. I'm into the Philippine Constitution . It doesn't matter which politician will benefit from all these mess. The ISSUE should be addressed! If the ISSUE will not be addressed thats TOLERATING. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by gracia on Jul 18th, 2005, 3:36am Quote:
The idea of it-doesn't-matter-which-poliitician-will-benefit-at-these-mess had no appeal to me because first and foremost the majority must be the main concern. Politicians will always be fighting, finding loopholes with each other and kicking each other out. Having that scenario, it's the majority who will always sufffer. I think the issue has been addressed too, Gloria suffered and it's up to her to prove her worth now. If the opposition keep on pushing her out, then let's see who's the best team wins. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by Wicked_Witch on Jul 18th, 2005, 5:53am on 07/17/05 at 15:58:22, mylane wrote:
Electoral fraud..big deal. She can cheat and cheat at the election if she can prove she can run the country and make some people's lives easier. It's not our biggest concern. It's our flagging economy that we should all be worrying about. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by Wicked_Witch on Jul 18th, 2005, 6:07am on 07/17/05 at 16:21:50, mylane wrote:
Sure...80 million Filipinos. I can even name some I would rather see up there. Trouble is..you just dont pick someone and say..."ok, you're a good man, get up there and start saving us!"We have electoral processes that we should follow since it is what is written under the Philippines Constitution Acts. And too, there might be some already eligible or qualified to rule, good men really. Question is, do they have the guts? And those that are QUALIFIED and HAVE the guts...do they have the approval of the majority? Its not that easy, u know. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by Wicked_Witch on Jul 18th, 2005, 6:16am on 07/17/05 at 17:24:22, mylane wrote:
Im all for giving GMA a second chance...coz i believe everyone deserves a second chance. If she screwed up one more time, I will personally assassinate her ass! ;D [smiley=thinking2.gif] |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by kim on Jul 18th, 2005, 8:52am readig this post is very interesting since it is clear that we all have different opinions. ;) I can understand what Mymy wants and her stand in all this. YEs it is true that we should not toletare cheating and lying and all those bad things. "we" as a nation have the power to vote wo we want as our president. I am not saying that GMA is the "perfect" choice, its just that "as of now" making her step down will do no good for our country SINCE there is no one who is good enough to take her position IMMEDIATELY when she steps down. All the other politicians who are screaming for her resign has other agendas. IF she steps down chaos will start and everyone will be stabbing one another just to get the position. Yes she should step down because she has proven that she is not worthy enough but this is not the right time. In an ideal world any corruption or cheating should not be allowed in any government but sad to say that we are not in an ideal world. ALthough i would want to see that kind of world someday. FINAL STAND: I am willing to let GMA remain as my president fo the mean time. I am more in favor of the transission government rather than the rally n the people power.... |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by gracia on Jul 18th, 2005, 9:33am Quote:
i really don't mind if GMA will be ousted anytime for as long as there's is somebody who is as competent as her. Anyone can take her seat of course but what i'm trying to say is somebody who can give a kind of quality of work that Gloria is giving. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by gracia on Jul 18th, 2005, 5:07pm Quote:
Definitely i'm not kidding there. Yes there are 80 million Filipinos out there but are they brave enough to present themselves. We need somebody who has strong mind and personality to do the job. Gloria offered herself and she did well. Who can recommend anyway for possible candidates? of course the parties involved (opposition and admin)..and people will only choose from whatever courses they are serving... I doubt an ordinary individual will be heard if he'll say..i want him to be president...of course u have to ask the person first if he's willing. And running a country is no joke. So tell me..out of 80 milion Filipinos out there ...who is more suited that has guts. But why would we be asking that, Noli is there ready to take over if Gloria step down. He's the VP. I'll never equit GMA over Noli though. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jul 19th, 2005, 11:25am on 07/18/05 at 05:53:27, Wicked_Witch wrote:
A president without any moral ascendancy translates to an unstable government which translates to a bad economy. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jul 19th, 2005, 6:08pm If your a Fanatic of the Arroyo regime, i guess you would never understand unless the tables were turned. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by Orange Pekoe on Jul 20th, 2005, 12:00am I finally got a copy of this email that has been going around from one computer to another expressing the views of the working-class-force-paying-taxes with only one thing to declare: ENOUGH!![ Enough with the clever remarks, enough with the efforts to destabilize my country, enough with this division. My sentiments echo those of the writer of this email---after all that's being said and done, we, the common, ordinary citizens are the ones who build our nation's economy. I am not a Gloria fanatic nor am I a fanatic of any politico who pretends to serve this country. But I am willing to do my share for the future of this country---MY COUNTRY. I want to move forward and leave all these behind me. I have forgiven the President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo and I will not support any moves or actions that will further destabilize the economy that I am working hard for. Moral Ascendancy? That doesn't mean anything to me---let he who has no sin cast the first stone. Whose morality are we basing this on? We are too caught up by our ideals, throwing clever opinions one after another, meanwhile, the whole country suffers. So I think I am not alone when I say that I want President Arroyo to finish her term. WE ARE NOT…. -Weeping widows who are out for vengeance -Former presidents who provide unsolicited advice -Actors and Actresses who are excellent pretenders that they start believing they are the country’s saviors -Grandstanding politicians who are so good at projecting themselves in front of cameras -Religious leaders who think they have a mandate from God -Condescending business leaders who think they have the right to bully the government into submission -Ideologists who offer nothing but noises -Poor who feel privileged of well, being poor BECAUSE WE ARE JUST… -Taxpayers who toil everyday so …we can keep our economy going …we can contribute monthly to government coffers …we can have the dignity of not burdening the government of services …we can continue supporting the lifestyles of politicians (their mistresses and their cronies), -the privileged poor (for their, well again, being poor), the church (while they are making themselves experts on politics), the ideologists (whose role in life is to create noise, noise and more noise) , movie actors and actresses (for their cheap entertainment), BECAUSE UNLIKE THE… -Weeping widows, we do not have pretensions to be qualified for presidency just because our husbands died -Former presidents, we plan to spend our retirement in peace and trust the capability of new generation of taxpayers -Movie stars, we pay our taxes (period, period, period) -Business Leaders, we only have one passport – Filipino -Ideologists, we work 8 hours a day, 5x a week, year after year after year -Religious Leaders, we do not keep our wealth and instead try to heed the call for helping the poor during each and every disaster -That is, even if the same poor would rather spend their last P100 to buy gin and cigarettes and then demand for government services when their latest child produce is born into this earth AND ALL WE ASK IS FOR YOU…. -To take a step back and listen. -If we want a change of government, we will go with you anywhere and everywhere. -We were with you in EDSA 1 and EDSA 2, why are we not with you now? -Because, we are not interested, simply not interested. -We have had two revolutions, but still no consensus -So while you are pretending to save our country -Leave us alone to work for the economy Is that too much to ask? |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by gracia on Jul 20th, 2005, 4:13am Bravo Doki....very well said! |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jul 20th, 2005, 4:53am Arroyo way of cheating is something out of the ordinary, She forced Comelec Officials and her allies to railroad her to presidency. GLORIA TAKEN vote from those that place another name in their ballot box, (LUCKY FOR THOSE WHO VOTED FOR HER) is she manage to steal something from the people (the very right for us to name our leader) whats stopping her to ROB us of something less essential such as Money? Like i said, if your a Fanatic of the Arroyo regime, i guess you would never understand unless the tables were turned. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by kim on Jul 20th, 2005, 5:12am I would gladly kick Arroyo out if there is someone else more capable in being a president than her. All this fight and all theres rallies are making me sad. These double faced politicians are using the Gloria gate issue to outrage common ppl and use that to go agains GMA. Some ppl attending the rallies want honest to goodness change and are the true patriots of our country but some are just two faced politicians that wants the presidency for themselfves. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jul 20th, 2005, 5:17am on 07/18/05 at 08:52:26, kim wrote:
Thanks. Quote:
I was not supporting the rallies nor condemn it. These rallies are the natural consequence of the admission of Gloria that she's the woman in the gloriagate tapes and her loss of moral grounds.But then again theres nothing we can do about it, unless Gloria has a way to give everyone an amnesia. Otherwise, it's a reality that Gloria and her SUPPORTERS should accept. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jul 20th, 2005, 5:25am on 07/20/05 at 00:00:01, Orange Pekoe wrote:
Arroyo's publicist have to work hard nowadays, no such thing as easy money if you are working for Gloria, eh ;D |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jul 20th, 2005, 5:46am on 07/20/05 at 05:12:37, kim wrote:
Resignation is not illegal. It's constitutional and part of the due process. Freedom of speech is part of democracy . And using this to ask for the resignation of the president is part of democracy and the due process. It's her forceful and violent removal that is not part of the due process. If Gloria resigns, the peaceful transition following the constitutional succession is for Noli DeCastro to take over. We may not like him, yes, but that's what the LAW says he should take over. What Noli has to do is appoint a good cabinet, clean the bureacracy, continue with the economic programs already in place and ensure the country that he does not owe anybody his position. Thats the LAW. And if the we allow Arroyo to trample our democracy, then we are part of the reason why we are a banana republic. That makes us accessory to the crime. And it's hypocritical to complain that ours is a banana republic. That's the reality of it. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by mylane on Jul 20th, 2005, 7:09am on 07/20/05 at 00:00:01, Orange Pekoe wrote:
AN apology without consequences and accountability is like a person commiting a bulgary to his neighbor then go to mass on sunday and confess his sin to the priest and the priest absolve him by telling him to recite 10 our fathers and 10 hail marry. The same thief will do the same crime again from monday -saturday and confess his sin on Sunday. She made a mistake and she acknowledged it by apologizing to the nation. She needs to take it farther by stepping down to show that she is accountable for her action. To me that is a GREAT leader. If we will just accept that sorry, she has the tendency to tell lies, lies, and lies then forgive her later. If sorry was enough for the filipinos, erap should have just said sorry before. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by gracia on Jul 20th, 2005, 6:13pm Quote:
We all commit mistakes, we often repeated them when its necessary. Why not Gloria can't just recite 10 Our Fathers and 10 Hail Mary's. In the first place, she is accountable to God. I leave all the judgment to God in terms of sins committed. I will not mind how many lies Gloria will be making, i'm after of what good she can do to my country. Sins is inevitable, but making up to her sins is all that matters, and that what she's doing. If God give her the second chance, then second chance she'll get. Quote:
that's the problem with erap, he doesn't know when to say sorry and how important it is to say sorry. A great leader for me is someone who will acknowledge his/her mistake no matter how much it cost her and make up for it. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by Analyn on Jul 22nd, 2005, 9:33am Hmmm...I was away for weeks only and you want me to step down? After all the SDGM rallies, anti-Gloria rallies, Susan Roces for President rallies, I still am the GMA fanatic... who among those ralllyist qualified enough to be the president? If GMA would only listen to me now, I will tell her to do the "MARTIAL LAW" and eradicate/terminate put to dungeon those people who can't stand her way. It's better be Gloria's way or no way to save our country. These people are only after with their personal interest and politiicking...hypocrites who seem to care in saving the country...they should ask themselves what they have done to help the President in saving the country. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by kim on Jul 22nd, 2005, 9:57am hehehehe.... i think Anna n i are the only ones that ever mentioned martial law... ;D... n I'll repeat it again... MARTIAL LAW!!!!! |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by gracia on Jul 22nd, 2005, 11:28am MARTIAL LAW....i'm a martial law baby ;D |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by Forgettable on Jul 22nd, 2005, 1:28pm Yes, MARTIAL LAW! ;D Now,what have the political oppositionists done with this crisis? I'm really trying to see if there's any.Have they helped for the good of the Philippines' goverment? NO! They have spent several weeks already lambasting the President and calling for her immidiate ouster,since her gutsy admission that it was her voice in this controversial Hello,Garci tapes.But they spent no time at all about what is proper, constitutional thing to do in this case. They have conducted noisy rallies, and tried to alarm the people and get as many participants as they could to join the rallies in order to show that the majority of the Filipinos support their shady interests, until they get what they want - the President's removal from the office,by whatever means,fair or foul and get her replaced by one of their own.These sort of rallies they staged in Manila were lightning,incendiary but futile. I say that these rallies have become futile because the people know that they are not what they need, but a stabilzed goverment, and they never know what these oppositionists are standing really for. Personally,I don't also want what have happened,but the more that I don't like what's happening right now.The rallies, the resignation of those cabinet members which I think stupid moves.Instead of giving their hands to solve the goverment's crisis that was created, which should be part of their duties, they created more problems by resigning.If they didn't want the goverment, then they could have done their resignations before, or do it later on. I don't appreciate at all these actions - solving the problem by problem. Unlike them, the Arroyo's allies , they represent what they actually believe and stand for.I also believe that those speaking for the President are seen to be great leaders,talking straight which is exactly the people want and expect out of their leaders. The President gutsy admission of a wrong she has done,her subsequent apology,the right view of going about solving the issue of confidence and talking about the real issues characterize the President personally and her leadership.With her admission and her call to the people to move on,the advantage that the Arroyo allies have,that I see, is that, they don't have to hide from what they stand for while for the oppositionists,they can not afford to reveal what they really stand for which I doubt to take the position by one of their own PERIOD Now,the poilitical opposition, having no other option since the President firmly announced she won't resign, has charged an impeacment complain.I will definitely go through that process.In that case, problem would be solved peacefully and in a calm way without harrasing the whole nation. BOW P.S Just incase someone might asks what I know about the Philippines when I'm not a "real" Filipino and don't live there. Well,yes, I don't live in the Philippines but I am a Filipino citizen and I have a great concern of what is happening there.It's still my motherland. ;D |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by kim on Jul 25th, 2005, 6:06pm AMEN ;D ;D ;D |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by Wicked_Witch on Jul 26th, 2005, 4:51am Hey Kimmy...I may not have mentioned Martial Law but I did mention Marcos and several times too :PAnyway, I dont think GMA will ever step down unless she sees that all the citizens have united as one, and the whole Armed Forces has taken a stand against her and plus of course the intervention of the US governemnt. Who would want to relinquish such power as great as hers? Now..is she can only do a turnabout....do something to boost the morale of the filipino people, I believe all would still be well. I'm all for giving her a second chance. Less messy, if u ask me. |
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Title: Re: Hello Garci... Post by kim on Jul 26th, 2005, 8:36am Thus comes the end of this thread... I am sure that most of the interested participants have voiced out their stands about this subject. Now let us move on to the new thread about charter change.... After GMA gave her SONA yesterday it became clear to many that she has no plans of stepping down and that she was decided to open the talks on charter change... I'll see you all in the other thread... This thread is now closed.. if you wish to open this thread again pls inform me or the admin ;) |
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